— AbstractART wrote:

Try not to go off-topic guys.

IMO, the following achievements should be kept:

• Tagged walls


• Flagged walls


• Subscribers


• Added Avatar


• Added Desktop


• 2k Mins. Weekly

And that's it.
The rest should be removed, forum post counter should be kept but not as an achievement.

— CucHulk wrote:

I seriously don't understand why some of you say the achievements related to uploads should be removed.
If this website is about wallpapers, removing these achievements would be counter this argument.
My opinion remains in removing the post counter achievement and maybe limit some others, like favorites non-colections or something.

— koalafishy wrote:

Ok heres a compromise, keep all the achevements if anything make some more, maybe just be more selective with which ones should count towards user rankings, i.e those which allow spammers. Personally I like all the achievements and use them as counters if nothing else.
One massive problem with the whole idea of removing achevements is that it will mean that the ranking will become redundant as all the users will be bunched up on 10 achievements.

Personally I want to keep the achievements as it is currently and add more in the future, spam isn't really a problem, if you spam the forums then your posts are deleted (problem solved), if you upload crap wallpapers then they are either deleted or no one will go on them Because they are crap(problem solved)

— CucHulk wrote:

The argument isn't removing achievements lol
The argument are the uploads, because you're saying the problem is the quality. Well, the solution is in restrict more resolutions, not removing achievements.
For example, 900 x 600 wallpapers. In my opinion, wallpapers with such resolution shouldn't be accepted.
Only post counter, time online and avatar are unrelated to wallpapers.

Then, you say rankings don't matter. I don't understand, where's the funny and competitive part in all this?
Let the poll come and then we talk more.

— Pain_God wrote:

Deleting achievements cannot be called as solution... It's just the simpliest and efortless idea to delete problem.

— CucHulk wrote:

The argument isn't removing achievements lol
The argument are the uploads, because you're saying the problem is the quality. Well, the solution is in restrict more resolutions, not removing achievements.
For example, 900 x 600 wallpapers. In my opinion, wallpapers with such resolution shouldn't be accepted.
Only post counter, time online and avatar are unrelated to wallpapers.

Then, you say rankings don't matter. I don't understand, where's the funny and competitive part in all this?
Let the poll come and then we talk more.

— Lord Anemoi wrote:

Quality and resolution aren't the same thing. You can have amazingly high quality 900x600 and really bad quality 1920x1090 walls.

Anyway, on topic I'm inclined to agree with Cornelius Funk. Before Yotoon revealed achievements, there was barely any spam on the forums, most of the uploads were of a high quality, there was less NSFW sets being uploaded and overall the site's quality was amazing. Now there are a lot of spam posts, low quality wallpapers and a lot of bad tagging, lowering the quality of the site (but not too badly, thankfully).

LWTBP has the right sort of idea, although the profile views one can be and has been abused (check the user list if you don't believe me).

— Pain_God wrote:

Deleting achievements cannot be called as solution... It's just the simpliest and efortless idea to delete problem.

— koalafishy wrote:

— Pain_God wrote:

Deleting achievements cannot be called as solution... It's just the simpliest and efortless idea to delete problem.

Thank you we finally have some some sense in this thread

— Cornelius Funk wrote:

— CucHulk wrote:

The argument isn't removing achievements lol
The argument are the uploads, because you're saying the problem is the quality. Well, the solution is in restrict more resolutions, not removing achievements.
For example, 900 x 600 wallpapers. In my opinion, wallpapers with such resolution shouldn't be accepted.
Only post counter, time online and avatar are unrelated to wallpapers.

Then, you say rankings don't matter. I don't understand, where's the funny and competitive part in all this?
Let the poll come and then we talk more.

Well, yeah, it is about removing achievements (at least that's how it started). Take a look at the thread title there. Restricting resolutions could be a bad idea, because then folks might up-scale images more. There are users that upload 2-3 versions of the same image, the original not even being fantastic quality, and just blow them up to look like they're high res. That means we have to spend several minutes going through however many of these there are, just to flag them for deletion.

Resolution does not equal quality, as Lord Anemoi said. 900x600 I don't think is even a standardised resolution, so I agree with that, but remember some users download walls for their phones, which is why I called for a category for "mobile" walls, to separate low-res images from the desktop-sized walls, but that's a separate issue. As discussed, time online, avatars, favourites, desktop shot uploaded, are all "harmless". The post counter is still a problem. If you disagree with that, please take a walk through the forums and see how many "When's your birthday?"/"Describe the user above you"/etc. threads there are.

— Lord Anemoi wrote:

Quality and resolution aren't the same thing. You can have amazingly high quality 900x600 and really bad quality 1920x1090 walls.

Anyway, on topic I'm inclined to agree with Cornelius Funk. Before Yotoon revealed achievements, there was barely any spam on the forums, most of the uploads were of a high quality, there was less NSFW sets being uploaded and overall the site's quality was amazing. Now there are a lot of spam posts, low quality wallpapers and a lot of bad tagging, lowering the quality of the site (but not too badly, thankfully).

LWTBP has the right sort of idea, although the profile views one can be and has been abused (check the user list if you don't believe me).

I was only using the site for a few months (I think) before achievements came along, and have a bad memory so I can't remember exactly what it was like.

— Pain_God wrote:

Deleting achievements cannot be called as solution... It's just the simpliest and efortless idea to delete problem.

If you've got a better idea, please share it with us.

— koalafishy wrote:

— Pain_God wrote:

Deleting achievements cannot be called as solution... It's just the simpliest and efortless idea to delete problem.

Thank you we finally have some some sense in this thread

Sense is subjective... a lot of the suggestions in this thread are half-baked ideas that will solve only a part of the problem at most. It's a big problem, so we need big solutions. I don't think it's fair to leave it to the mods to tidy up after idiots that can't read (or think much).

— LWTBP wrote:

Well, I have another idea...

Some other sites like kat.ph have points system wherein good deeds are rewarded and bad punished in form of those points being given or taken away (they additionally have badges).

Now instead of doing away with the achievements that Yotoon so painstakingly created, why not add something like 'failures' wherein 'negative achievements' are awarded for particular number of deleted or reported posts on forums, uploads deleted, wrong tagging and flagging detected, etc? These FAILURES in turn would also affect the ranking of a person who's already enjoying the benefits of their ACHIEVEMENTS.

— koalafishy wrote:

I like that idea yet I can guarantee that people such as Cornelius Funk will just say it's more work for the admins. which is effectively the outcome (and point) of this thread is.

— CucHulk wrote:

The argument isn't removing achievements lol
The argument are the uploads, because you're saying the problem is the quality. Well, the solution is in restrict more resolutions, not removing achievements.
For example, 900 x 600 wallpapers. In my opinion, wallpapers with such resolution shouldn't be accepted.
Only post counter, time online and avatar are unrelated to wallpapers.

Then, you say rankings don't matter. I don't understand, where's the funny and competitive part in all this?
Let the poll come and then we talk more.

— LWTBP wrote:

I don't understand how anyone on WB will get quality over quantity in the current range of w/p since the rules ask you to delete only those walls that are screenshots, 'shitty' or pornographic/snuff. Everything else is supposed to be allowed which includes a LOT of crap (especially that anime stuff for me personally but each have their tastes).

And achievements are NOT to be blamed for this!

Such walls have existed on WB even when it was purely scraping from 4chan, etc. So what now?

— AbstractART wrote:

— CucHulk wrote:

The argument isn't removing achievements lol
The argument are the uploads, because you're saying the problem is the quality. Well, the solution is in restrict more resolutions, not removing achievements.
For example, 900 x 600 wallpapers. In my opinion, wallpapers with such resolution shouldn't be accepted.
Only post counter, time online and avatar are unrelated to wallpapers.

Then, you say rankings don't matter. I don't understand, where's the funny and competitive part in all this?
Let the poll come and then we talk more.

The uploads it's not the problem.
The problem is the achievements.
Because, time spent online on WB can be hacked.
I can say the same for the uploads(a friend of mine, made a bot for me and each day I decided if the bot will upload those walls or not).
This is not a competitive website, this is a fucking wallpapers website.
If you want to compete go join sports or any activity that requires it.

In my opinion the Staff of Wallbase(except Yotoon), are here to keep things together, and their role is to be a role-model for the users of this website.
And on top of this all, if you were well mannered you did not care about achievements and ranks(E.G: Look at me, I'm the most powerful admin on Wallbase, except Yotoon, and I could be the 1st on achievements, but am I?)


To state another affirmation on your inconvenience about the minimum resolution, which is 800x600.

• One role of Wallbase is for your desktop, you find walls that you like and fits your screen


• Another role of Wallbase, is to promote unknown and known artist, and this excludes the resolution of it's creation. It can either be 800x600 or 10.000x10.000(the size is not relevant)


• Another role of Wallbase is the Quality over Quantity of walls, but that seems it's not happening right now.


• Fourth role of Wallbase is to inspire users around the web, which has happened, countless times(and that makes me happy, and I think it makes Yotoon happy as well)


• I will finish with this one, one of the many roles of Wallbase is to give you a variety of walls from Nature, portrait shots(SFW) till the very nude women/males, blood & gore(NSFW)

Regards,
AA.

— AbstractART wrote:

The uploads it's not the problem.
The problem is the achievements.
Because, time spent online on WB can be hacked.
I can say the same for the uploads(a friend of mine, made a bot for me and each day I decided if the bot will upload those walls or not).
This is not a competitive website, this is a fucking wallpapers website.
If you want to compete go join sports or any activity that requires it.

In my opinion the Staff of Wallbase(except Yotoon), are here to keep things together, and their role is to be a role-model for the users of this website.
And on top of this all, if you were well mannered you did not care about achievements and ranks(E.G: Look at me, I'm the most powerful admin on Wallbase, except Yotoon, and I could be the 1st on achievements, but am I?)


To state another affirmation on your inconvenience about the minimum resolution, which is 800x600.

• One role of Wallbase is for your desktop, you find walls that you like and fits your screen


• Another role of Wallbase, is to promote unknown and known artist, and this excludes the resolution of it's creation. It can either be 800x600 or 10.000x10.000(the size is not relevant)


• Another role of Wallbase is the Quality over Quantity of walls, but that seems it's not happening right now.


• Fourth role of Wallbase is to inspire users around the web, which has happened, countless times(and that makes me happy, and I think it makes Yotoon happy as well)


• I will finish with this one, one of the many roles of Wallbase is to give you a variety of walls from Nature, portrait shots(SFW) till the very nude women/males, blood & gore(NSFW)

Regards,
AA.

— LWTBP wrote:

Well, I have another idea...

Some other sites like kat.ph have points system wherein good deeds are rewarded and bad punished in form of those points being given or taken away (they additionally have badges).

Now instead of doing away with the achievements that Yotoon so painstakingly created, why not add something like 'failures' wherein 'negative achievements' are awarded for particular number of deleted or reported posts on forums, uploads deleted, wrong tagging and flagging detected, etc? These FAILURES in turn would also affect the ranking of a person who's already enjoying the benefits of their ACHIEVEMENTS.

— prinzpommes wrote:

I would definitly keep the Achievments. It's a pretty cool Idea and keeps People uploading and stuff :) It makes the page something Special.

pp